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shankar

I’ve been wanting to share an event that took place a few weeks ago. I thought about doing a post, but I’ll just tell you instead as it touches on this topic. It was a Sunday morning and the worship time at our church seemed….strange. We sang, I think a total of two songs which utilized only a few words, and, while I couldn’t put my finger on any unscriptural goings on, I was nonetheless troubled. I would not question the sincerety of anyone in our church. Yet I was troubled for two days afterwards and I inquired as to why this was so.

Well late Tuesday evening, while at work, I suddenly found myself thinking of my church in Virginia and the songs that they always sang. Songs like “Victory in Jesus” “There’s Room at the Cross For You” “At Calvary” and many other older type songs. The lyrics and melodies began going through my mind and the joy spikes started. My church in Virginia didn’t have an elaborate worship team; only sister Brown playing the piano. But they would start singing these lyrics and….it’s astonishing that the roof never gave way from all of the shouting. I miss that! I REALLY MISS THAT!

Those songs; just reading the lyrics is oftentimes enough to send one into the stratosphere. As you mention, most of what passes for worship these days falls way short of these songs that were written out of genuine encounter with the Lord Jesus. We live in an age where oftentimes shallow jingles seem to be preferred over heartfelt songs of deliverance.

I’ll have to check out the link when I can. I just got home from work and it’s after 2:00am. Thanks for bringing this forth.

Blessings always in Jesus name.

timbob

It was not that long after being saved that I came to the conclusion that a pre-trib raprture was not Biblical. I spent countless hours researching where the idea came from. I discovered it was John Nelson Derby and the “Irivingites.” They used to have , what they called, prophecy conferences. It took place at Powerscourt mansion. Lady Powerscourt was one of the followers. They had very infuletial people in attendence. Iriving was a Scotsman and would be considered “Pentcostal,” today. In fact it was in Scotland, in a town named Port Glasgow that a young woman supposedly spoke in tongues and this is where we first hear the term “rapture,” which is an Egyptian occultic word for levitation. Anyway, Derby got nervous of Irving and split from him. Derby went on to found the Plymouth Brethren and later Scofield and others took up his teachings. Out of this eventually came Dallas Theological school and we see a birth of the dispensationalist movement, the strongest adherents to the pre-trib rapture. Strangely enough, many Pentecostal movements would be in line with the very consevative College. Indeed the Assemblies of God hold very strongly to the pre-trib rapture theory. This was a very thin summary of the pre-trib raprute movement but you can be rest assured that prir to the 1820s this had never been taught in 1900 years……..Frank

the Lord Jesus is our Refuge.
Dan

Thanks!

Cindy

To quote a preacher of righteousness by the name of Ken Dewey:

http://all-things-new.net/single/?p=8082813&t=6646338

Wow–I so feel for you. Like Frank said, Thank God you are coming out. I was talking to God about this a couple of days ago and I felt like He was saying to me that my own wilderness experience had been necessary because it was the only way to get me turned around from mistaken thinking about Him–the kind of legalism/theology/philosophy/religion thing I had believed was the essence of following Him. He expressed it as pushing the “reset” button.

I think your first verse is: Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Maybe your second is: Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

It’s a wild guess, but the third is possibly a combination of: Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

And: Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Yes, we do need to search the scriptures for ourselves and have that individual relationship with God. We also need one another to have that community relationship with Him and with each other. I’m not talking about sitting through a “church service,” but about actively sharing our whole lives with one another. Not always easy to find, but absolutely worth seeking out in prayer and in the brothers and sisters around us. God’s richest blessings.

Love, Cindy