The Glory of Gods Presence is Departing
Posted by appolus on March 24, 2009
There is no doubt the church in the West is defiled. We worship other gods, we just do not call them by name because this would be offensive. We trust in the work of our own hands and we trust in military power and we trust in our leaders for our security. This Northern Kingdom represents all professing Christians, the vast majority, the ten tribes so to speak. Now Judah represents the genuine Church, the true believers and we also will be judged, for surely all judgement begins at the house of the Lord. When we refuse to serve God in the abundance of all things, then God will make us serve our enemies when we are hungry and thirsty, for a time.
THE GLORY OF GODS PRESENCE IS DEPARTING
Psa 50:12 If I were hungry, I would not tell you, for the world is Mine, and the fullness of it.
What does the Lord need from us? Does He need anything at all from us? If the Lord needs nothing from us, if He does not need our sacrifices since he owns the cattle on a thousand hills, what does he want from us? He needs nothing, but what does He want? I think that it can be summed up in the beginning of Exodus 20, which lays out the commandments of God……..
Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying, I am Jehovah your God, who has brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make to yourselves any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them. For I Jehovah your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation of those that hate me, and showing mercy to thousands of those that love Me and keep My commandments.
The early Christian community knew this well, many died because they would not indulge in Emperor worship. They would render unto Caesar what was Caesar’s and unto God what was God’s. They would bow their knee only to the one true living God and many paid dearly for this, more often that nought with their lives. So, are we modern American Christians indulging in false worship? What does it mean to worship falsely? In classic false worship in the ancient world you had the worship of Baal and of Ashteroth. These represented fertility, one male and the other female. Many of the rituals were sexual in nature in order to arouse these gods so that they would be fertile and so that the land would be fertile. This was literally a matter of life and death to the ancients because without a harvest, without crops, they would surely die. What else was worshipped? Military power was worshipped in the ancient world(Isa 31:1) Again, this could mean life or death, depending upon the strength of your military. The work of one’s hand was also worshipped….
Jer 25:6 And do not go after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and do not provoke Me to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no harm.
Jer 25:7 Yet you have not listened to Me, says Jehovah, so that you might provoke Me with the works of your hands, for harm to you.
So where do we stand today? What does the modern American church worship? Does it worship the work of its own hand? Does it indulge in Emperor worship? Does it worship its military might? What does worship even mean in this context? It means to put ones trust in these things, any things, apart from the one true God. And if it does, can God allow such an institution to stand? And if He does not , how does he dismantle it in this modern day setting? In Ezekiel chapter four, the Prophet takes on a diet, a very limited diet even although there was plenty to eat. He is signifying the hunger and the thirst and the famine to come. He lies on one side for 390 days representing 390 years of judgment for the Northern Kingdom of Israel, and then lies on his other side for forty days, representing 40 years for Judah in the south where the temple was to be found. The greater judgment falls upon the Kingdom of Israel to the North in part because they had set up their own places of worship, one in Dan and one in Bethel where the golden idols of calves rears its ugly head again, these calves representing the idol of Baal. They would now trust in another entity, apart from God to put food on their tables, and they would mix this with worshipping the one true God, thus totally defiling themselves.
There is no doubt the church in the West is defiled. We worship other gods, we just do not call them by name because this would be offensive. We trust in the work of our own hands and we trust in military power and we trust in our leaders for our security. This Northern Kingdom represents all professing Christians, the vast majority, the ten tribes so to speak. Now Judah represents the genuine Church, the true believers and we also will be judged, for surely all judgement begins at the house of the Lord. When we refuse to serve God in the abundance of all things, then God will make us serve our enemies when we are hungry and thirsty, for a time.
Now, what is abundance to the genuine Christian? Is it not the blessing of God’s presence? So, for judgment upon God’s people will not God withdraw his conscious presence for a time? Before the church is scattered, before judgment falls, a couple of things happen. In Ezekiel chapter nine we see six “men,’ have came to judge the city. They have battle-axes in their hands, but one also has an inkhorn. With this inkhorn he marks God’s people, His remnant with a mark on their heads. These people are spared the judgment. They are spared because they groan and mourn all of the abominations that are done in the midst.
Eze 9:4 And Jehovah said to him, Go through in the midst of the city, in the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark on the foreheads of the men who are groaning and are mourning because of all the abominations that are done in her midst.
I believe that as you read this, God is separating His people from what is known as “The Church.” They are hungry and thirsty, yet this will only be for a time. After chapter nine, we see in chapter ten that the glory of the Lord leaves the Temple in stages. His presence is withdrawn before judgment falls. I believe that God’s glory has been leaving His church in stages and that now He is at the threshold, about to take His glory away for a time. It will be a time of great hunger and great thirst and for those who refused to serve Him before, they will now be given over to their true gods.
The time has come to decide who we worship, choose ye this day , so to speak. The trials that ere befalling us, and which will get worse, will surely bring to light those who truly trust God and has no other God before Him. Now is the time to “get oil,” for your lamp, now is the time to choose to serve God fully. If you are guilty of not trusting God completely, then now would be the time to repent.
A Call To The Remnant 
cindyinsd said
Your last remark about getting oil for our lamps caught my attention because God said that very thing to me a week or so ago. Without fetching my journal to give a word-for-word, He said to keep our oil in good supply and our lamps trimmed because we would soon need to be ready. I love it when God says the same thing to many of us simultaneously–it’s just cool.
That said, I’m led to believe that the coming darkness will be a time when God uses His true bride to shine (light shines best in the darkness) and call the western world to repentance. It’s been a long, long time since a genuine move of God has taken place in Europe and the Americas and I’m excited to anticipate what God plans to do in taking away the false security that has led many to believe they had no need of Him. May God prepare us (and may we cooperate in that preparation) to reap His harvest–possibly the last great harvest.
God bless, Cindy
appolus said
Hi Cindy, you and I are on the same page, or should I say the same Holy Spirit inspires us. Here is a post that I posted on Jan 21st
https://scottishwarriors.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/sheep-from-goats/
I think you will appreciate it. We held a revival conference in my hometown of Greenock in Scotland last Nov. The ministry was Sermonindex.net. We had over 800 people come from 20 different countries and so many of them expressed the sentiments that you and I have just discussed. There was no money charged for this conference and no speaker was paid a dime, they all came at their own expense, 12 speakers from 5 different countries. We called it a solemn assembly. God is calling out His people, and he is using hunger and thirst to seperate them. We are having another conference in Barnsdall, OK. June 2-4th. There will be like minded people there Cindy, think about it.
Also, quite a few of us meet on a conference prayer call on a Tuesday evening at nine central time. You can simply call this number: (616) 712-8000 . And when promoted enter this code: 968422# This will get you into the live prayer meeting where you can pray for revival. Call in 5 minutes before the specified time……….Frank
Francisco said
“Love Not The World”
”For the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one”(I John 5:19)
“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world will pass away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of The Only True GOD will abide for ever.” (I John 2:15-17)
“If you were of the world, the world would love it’s own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said unto you, the servant is not greater than his Master. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also.” (John 15:19-20)
“Where do wars and fighting among you come from? Do they not come of your lusts that war in your members? You lust, and have not: you kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: you fight and war yet you have not, because you ask not. You ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you may consume it upon your lusts. You adulterers and adulteresses, don’t you know that friendship with the world is to be at enmity with The Only True GOD? Therefore whoever will be a friend of the world is the enemy of The Only True GOD.” (James 4:1-4)
“The world cannot hate you; but the world hates Me, because I testify that the works of this world are evil.” (John 7:7)” and “The Messiah gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of The Only True God, Our Father.”(Gal 1:4)
The Messiah testified: “If the world hates you know that it hated Me before it hated you.”(John 5:18) Truly, Truly, I say unto you, except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone: but if it die it brings forth much fruit. He that loves his life in this world shall lose it; and he that hates his life in this world shall have it unto life eternal.” (John 12:24-25)
John testified: “Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hates you.” (I John 3:13) “ James testified, “Whoever would be a friend of this world is the enemy of GOD”(James 4:4)
The “earth and it’s life forms” are The Creation of The Only True GOD, Father of ALL! The “worldly” systems are the creation of, and under the dominion of “the god of this world”, he who is “the father of lies”, he who “has blinded the minds of those who believe not The Messiah”! All the nations of this world are under the dominion of, and serve, the evil one for he provides the fuel that feeds mankind’s “imag”ination, and mankind’s “imagination is destroying and perverting Creation(land, air, water, vegetation, creatures, Light, Truth, Life, Love, Peace, Faith, Simplicity, .etc.) ;-(
Once again, the “earth and it’s life forms” are The Creation of The Only True GOD, Father of ALL! The current “worldly” systems are the creation of, and under the dominion of “the god of this world”.
Those who “love this world” all serve “the god of this world”, and play their part in the processes that seek to destroy The Creation of The Only True GOD. “And The Only True GOD will destroy them who destroy the earth.” (Rev 11:18c)
Global warming, polluted air, land and waters, toxic wastes, sexual perversion, evil inventions of destruction, greed, hate, carnal warfare, dis-ease ,,,etc,,, are all destructive processes that have their root in “the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life”.
The Truth Is Alive in those who have been born of The Spirit for “they no longer love this wicked, evil world and it’s things, nor do they love their own lives in this world”.
They but seek and desire The Will of GOD, their Father and Creator, as they await their final transformation. “Corruptible to Incorruptible” ndeed and Truth!
Now “the ground was cursed for Adam’s sake” because he “hearkened unto the woman”.
Adam listened to a woman rather than obeying The Only True GOD. Yet because of Faithful Noah, The Only True GOD “no longer would curse the ground for man’s sake” because Noah obeyed The Only True GOD! (Genesis 8:21-22)
And the Faithful today are exhorted to “love not the world, neither the things that are in the world.”
Be not of those who deny and defy “The One GOD, Father of All”. Be not of those who are destroying and perverting the earth(land, air, water, vegetation, creatures) and perverting that which is Spirit(Light, Truth, Life, Love, Peace, Hope, Mercy, Faith, .etc.)!
“Set your affections on things above”. Desire heavenly, eternal things. Quit serving ‘time’ in the prison that is this world and take heed unto The Call of “The Only True GOD” to ”Come Out of her, MY people!”
“Come out” from among those who are destroying and perverting Creation and be of those who follow The Messiah on “The Way to The Truth of The Life”.
“Come out” of the worldly systems, which are the product of mankind’s “imag”ination, especially the systems of religion. “Pure religion and undefiled before GOD The Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself uncontaminated by the world.” (James 1:27)
Simply, all other religions are impure, defiled and of this wicked, evil world!
Faith will not create a system of religion!
Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world and it’s systems of religion, for “the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one” indeed and Truth…….
Truth is never ending……. thedestructionoftheearth.wordpress.com
appolus said
Hi Fransisco, thank you for dropping by. Let me just say that everything is under the control of God. The Lord Jesus is on His throne, and the Holy Spirit is about His work. For God so loved this world that He sent His only Son. Praise Jesus. Greater is He than is within me, than He that is in the world. We know for a fact that it is not by might, nor by power, but by His Spirit and it is the Lord that says this. It started in love and it will end in love. Nothing can seperate us from this love, for this love holds all that exists in place. Every planet, every star, every solar system hangs in place because God exists and holds it all in the palm of His hand. It does not contain Him, He contains it. The enemy of this world, the one who holds sway over the peoples of the earth, is a small thing to my God. Let the people of God stand in the power of His love. The kind of power that cries out “Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.” That same love that empowered the likes of sister Corrie Ten Boom to love and forgive Nazi jailers. This is the victory, this is what Calvary enabled the followers of the most High Son of God to overcome, they overcame hatred by the Love of God. The chain was broken and for that, the enemy has no reply. The enemy falls to defeat on the bloody battle ground of Calvary. For if He loved not HIs life , even unto death, then we too. What is coming soon is glorious. The saints of God will , if the Lord does not tarry, be priveledged to be , perhaps, that generation that sees Him come in the clouds in all His glory and every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father………Frank
cindyinsd said
To your March 26 10:07 reply, Appolus
Just wanted you to know how my heart filled with rejoicing as I read this. And I don’t say that lightly. God truly led me into worship through the words He gave you. Even so, Come Lord Jesus! If it weren’t for His promises to me regarding the work He means to allow us the privilege of participating in, I don’t think I could bear the wait. As it is, I’m indescribably excited about being here and also about seeing Him in the flesh.
God bless, Cindy
appolus said
Amen sister Cindy. Even so Lord, come. I often say to my friends that is we are the generation that is alive in the final days, what an awesome thing that will be . I do not underestimate it, tet, I could never overestimate my God. What He calls us to do He enables us to do. When the enemy comes in like a flood, He raises up a standard. Now, a standard was the one thing on a battle field that identified the forward thrust. You follow the standard into battle. If the standard bearer falls, someone rushes forward and takes his place. The standard bearer is on the front lines of the battle and he has no weapon. No weapon formed against us will prosper. The weapons of our warfare are not the weapons of the world. Even if we were gathered up for being in Chirst, what a fellowship we will have, gathered together with all the genuine sold out Christians………Frank
timbob said
Hi Brother. There is no doubt that the separation between the sheep and the goats is not only underway, it may well be nearing the conclusion. So late is the hour and so imperative that we draw ever closer to Jesus. Any seeds of unbelief or any harboring of attachments to this present world will be disasterous in the days ahead when everything will be shaken. I pray that we all would grasp the seriousness of the hour.
Thanks for this needful exhortation. Blessings always in Jesus name.
timbob
appolus said
Dear brother Timbob, you write…
“I pray that we all would grasp the seriousness of the hour.”
The hour is indeed late and your prayer above is a vital one. It is vital that the saints understand the context of the times in which we live. For those who do not, it is “business as ususal.” For those who do, it is “pressing in.”………..brother Frank
appolus said
HI Fransisco,
If you look at the other comments above, you will see that they address me and I they, that is what makes them comments. Your last “comment,” was a post brother, which I think is fine, just not in the comment section. There is a link to your page on your other post here in the commnet section. If you have a piece that you would like me to publish on my site, by all means ask me. So, if you decide to comment , which I would greatly appreciate, please address me and let me know your thoughts on the post at hand. That way no one talks past each other. Here is one section of what you sent me, I highlighed this one because it is a point of discussion for me …….Fransisco writes….
“And “The Good News” after the destruction
of the earthly “kingdom” of Jerusalem was,
“THY Kingdom” HAS “Come”! “The Kingdom
of Heaven(GOD, Our Father” HAD Come
indeed and Truth!”
The Kingdom of heaven arrived with the Lord Jesus. Jeruslalem was destroyed thirty something years after Jesus arose. Just wanted to correct that because it sounded like a Preterist teaching:) Perhaps you are a Preterist? He was and is and is to come, praise the Lord………..Frank
Francisco said
It is you who needs correction…….
Paul testified of the time when The
Messiah would deliver up The Kingdom unto
Our GOD and Father and be submitted unto
HIM once again.
“Then THE END comes, when The Messiah
shall have delivered up The Kingdom to
GOD, even The Father; when The Messiah
shall have put down all rule and all authority
and power. For The Messiah must reign
(after He was resurrected), till He has put all
enemies under His feet. The last enemy that
shall be destroyed is death. For GOD has
put all things under The Messiah’s feet. But
when GOD said, all things are put under The
Messiah, it is manifest that HE(GOD) is
excepted, WHO did put all things under The
Messiah. And when all things shall be
subdued unto The Messiah, then shall The
Son also Himself be subject unto GOD, HE
WHO put all things under Him, so that GOD
may be ALL and in all.”(1 Cor 15:22-28)
Question is, “THE END” of what?
Paul testified, “In that GOD said, A New
Covenant, HE has made the first covenant
old. Now that which is decaying and waxing
old is ready to vanish away”.(Heb 8:13)
“THE END” was the end of the earthly,
natural kingdom in Jerusalem. That “which
was decaying and waxing old”, “vanished
away” indeed and Truth!
And believers were, and are exhorted to “set
their affections on things above(Heavenly),
not things of the earth”; they are exhorted,
“be not of those whose god is their belly,
and whose glory is in their shame because
they mind earthly things.” (Col 3:2,Phlp 3:19)
Now why such exhortations?
A believers “citizenship (Life) is in Heaven”!
(Phlp 3:20)
Believers had “experienced The Messiah
and The Power that raised Him from among
the dead”!
They had been “translated into the Kingdom
of The Risen Messiah”
“Repent for The Kingdom of Heaven(GOD)
Is At Hand”!
“The END” of the Old earthly covenant was
at hand indeed and Truth.
And with THE END of the old, earthly kingdom
centered in jerusalem The Messiah delivered
up The Kingdom unto His GOD and Father so that
The Father would be all in all…….
“THY Kingdom” HAD “Come” indeed and Truth…….
appolus said
Hi Fransisco,
I see that you are a Preterist, which is fine, we have a disagreement and we will agree to disagree. All of what you write has little bearing on my post. I have no desire to correct you. You have a doctrine, and I am sure you are sold out to it. You should be fully persauded in what you believe. Yet, its Jesus that saves, not a doctrine as I am sure you will agree. If you know Jesus personally and are a new creature in Christ, then we are brothers in Christ and that is more important that the doctrine of preterism, or calvinsism or Arminius or any other subject that has caused division for centuries. Your thoughts on eschatology are interesting, but they are not essentials of the faith and should not be a subject that would seperate brethern. I have good friends and brothers and sisters in Christ who are pre-tribbers, mid and post. Only God Hmself knows exactly how this will end, what is more important is that all genuine Christians stand together against a common enemy. We are bearers of the light. We are the salt of the earth, we are a city set on a hill,we are called according to this purpose. If we lose our saltiness, then what good will we be? If we cannot love brothers that we can see, how can we love God whom we cannot see? You see my friend, they will know us by our love for one another. Do you believe that the world knows the “church,” today by its love for one another?.God bless you Fransisco……….Frank
Francisco said
“genuine christians”?
Thankfully Our Father, by HIS Grace, gave me the courage and strength to take heed unto HIS Call and “Come Out” of the pagan “catholic/chrisitan” systems of religion. Theo’ry’locial systems which are all of this wicked, evil world…….
Sadly, “The Way of Truth is evil spoken of” because of pagan “catholicism” and her harlot pagan “christian” daughters ;-( Their “imag”ined “jesus christ” is not The Messiah! It was some five hundred years ago that they named one head of their three-headed pagan “god”, “jesus”, during a time that has been called the “reformation”. Prior to that time there was no “j” sound in the english language…….period…….
And the pagan “christian” name of ‘jesus’ is the transliteration of The Messiah’s GOD given Hebrew birth name from the pagan catholic latin word ‘iesus’ not the pagan greek word ‘iesous’ which is recorded in all the greek transcripts from which “biblical” translations were made…….
The pagan “catholic” harlot has had her way with the multitudes.
And the “reformation”, the time during which the english ‘j’ sound was “imag”ined, was an aptly named time! For it was a time when “catholicism” birthed her harlot “christian” daughters ;-( Her “christian” daughters are of her substance ;-( Her substance was merely “reformed” so that her “christian” daughters might appear a bit differently outwardly, yet inwardly they remained liken unto their pagan harlot mother and so it is they continue to war against flesh and blood ;-(
“christianity” is but the byproduct of the fornicative relationship pagan “catholicism” has always had with “the god of this world”, he who is “the father of lies”, he who is “the angel of light”, “d”evil spirit that rules over this wicked world ;-(
All religious systems, muslin, jewish, buddhist, catholic, christian ,,etc,, are Anti-Messiah!
Religious systems of this world, all alike they are,
Their clones have fought, killed and died, both near and far ;-(
And then once a week, or multiple times a day they may pray,
Yet as hypocrites they begin each new day ;-(
Days that are filled with deceit and lies,
For in a “religious system” Truth can not abide ;-(
And so the fruit of death is born of religion’s way,
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play ;-(
Simply, Faith will not create a system of religion!
The Messiah testified of a “wicked world”, and of His disciples being “in, not of, this world”.
John exhorted those who believed “to love not the world or it’s things” for “the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one”!
And James testified, “whoever is a friend of this world is the enemy of GOD(Father, Great Spirit, Creator,,)”!
And “the god of this world”, “the father of lies”, “d”evil, is the author of all religious systems and has his way with those who are “of this world” because they follow their own “vain “imag”inations” ;-( And so it is that mankind’s “imag”ination is destroying and perverting Creation ;-( And Our Father has promised that HE “will destroy those who are destroying and perverting HIS Creation(earth, air, water, vegetation, creatures, Light, Truth, Life, Love, Peace, .etc.)”!
May there be those who heed GOD’s Call to “Come out of her, MY people”!
All who take heed unto The Only True GOD’s Call will exit “the broadway to destruction” and they will follow The Messiah on “The Way to The Truth of The Life”! They no longer will have their portion with the “catholic/christian” LIE or any other religious system of this world.
The Messiah testified, “whoever lives and believes in Me(His Teachings and Life example) shall never die.”
And then The Messiah questioned, “Do you believe this?” YES!
And you? Do you believe? Or do you believe in death?
While there is breath(spirit) there is hope!
For Miracles Do Happen! Thanks Be To “Our Father”!
Hope is that there would be those who “come out” of the “strong delusion” that is the religious systems of this wicked world, for “the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one”.
Hope is that there would be those who believe in and receive of The Life. Hope is that there would be those who would “experience The Messiah and The Power that raised Him from among the dead”.
Hope is you will, or have experienced The Miracle that is “receiving a love of The Truth”. All who have “received a love of The Truth” will have:
Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(religion) that is of this wicked world, for “the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one”(1JN5:19) indeed and Truth……. francis
Francisco said
DISCLAIMER: The above reply was written concerning the religious systems of this wicked world, not individuals. Recorded for revelation, not condemnation, in hopes there would be those who would “see” and “hear”, for all who do so will take heed unto The Call of The Only True GOD and “Come out of her, MY people”…….
appolus said
Francis does not believe in the Trinity nor does He believe that Jesus is God. Do I have that correct Francis? Thats fine. I would simply disagree with that. I do not particularly want this post to be a debate on who Jesus is. I do belive, as an Ex Catholic, that Catholicism is merely a religion. I also believe that much of what passes for Protestantism is merely religion too. Yet, all down through the centuries, there has been a remnant. Small groups who were not consumed by Catholicism or detroyed by it. That has no bearing on who Jesus is, thats an entirely different debate. My post focus’s on sheep or goats, wheat or tares and so on. If there are any farmers out there, they will know that it is very difficult to tell the difference between wheat and tares, that is why we are told not to look for and pluck out the tares, lest we damage the wheat in the process. Yet, interestingly enough, as the harvest approaches, the tares become more identifiable. I believe that the harvest is approaching. I believe that when the shofar sounds the coming of the bridegroom, and the virgins trim their lamps to light up the way for the groom who typicaly comes at night, at least half of those “virgins,” will have no oil. So, they are all virgins, they all have lamps, but it is only when it comes time to trim the lamps do we know who will go in and who will have the door shut on them. So, the seperation process has begun, this, and only this will identify who belongs to Him and who does not. There is a storm that Jesus talks about. There are two houses and they satnd beside each other. The storm comes, the river rises, the storm rages and in the morning, when the storm is over, only one house stands. The house that stands is the house that had a sure foundation. The one that did not have a foundation is swept away. This is the great falling away. We are in the midst of it now, even as we speak. The storm is approaching, the river is rising, and the storm is about to rage. When the eye of the storm passes, false prophets say “peace, peace, when there is no peace.”
So, Francis, I would guess that most of the people who visit this site believe that Jesus Christ is not only a part of the Godhead but ….” in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.(Col 2:9) ……Frank
Francisco said
“So, Francis, I would guess that most of the people who visit this site believe that Jesus Christ is not only a part of the Godhead but ….” in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.(Col 2:9)”
But proves what i stated previously, “The pagan “catholic” harlot has had her way with the multitudes.”
As for Col 2:9…….
Paul testified that “The Only True GOD was in The Messiah”.
The Messiah testifed that “His GOD and Father was Spirit” and that “a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have”.
Yes, “The Only True GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL”, “HE WHO is HEAD of ALL”, was “IN The Messiah” indeed and Truth…….
The Messiah, “The Beginning of The Creation of The Only True GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL”(Rev 3:14)…….
As The Messiah testified, “The Words that I speak are not My Words”. “For I have not spoken of My own self; but The Father WHO sent Me, HE gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.” (John 3:34, 12:49)
And that catholic/christian word ‘godhead’?
Simply, Paul testified “The Only True GOD, HE is The HEAD of The Messiah”……. For as The Messiah testified, “The Father is greater than I”……. And The Messiah testified, “I ascend to My GOD and Father”, HE WHO is also The GOD and Father of The Messiah’s Brethren…….
Thankfully there is Only ONE True GOD, HE WHO is Father(Creator) of ALL, and HE has no god for HE IS The Only True GOD…….
Truth is never ending…….
appolus said
Hi Francis, by the way, my name is Frank. I greet you today, but ,as I said, we disagree on the nature of the Trinity. It takes maturity to know that people disagree on certain subjects.
col 1:13 For He has delivered us from the power of darkness and has translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son;in whom we have redemption through His blood, the remission of sins.who is the image of the invisible God, the First-born of all creation.
For all things were created in Him, the things in the heavens, and the things on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, all things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
Eph 3:9 and to bring to light what is the fellowship of the mystery which from eternity has been hidden in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ;
Joh 14:9 Jesus said to him, Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM!
Joh 8:59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him. But Jesus hid Himself and went forth out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and passed on by.
The Pharisees knew well what Jesus was claiming and they deemed it worthy of death. Francis, are you part of a cult? If so , you need to come out from amongst them. Who do you say that Jesus is? Would you claim that He was created by God? Would you claim that He was related to Satan?…………Frank
Francisco said
Sadly, you are the one who is yet held captive by a cult frank…….
Col 1:13 “For HE(The Only True GOD) has delivered us from the power of darkness and has translated us into the Kingdom of His Dear Son; in Whom we have redemption through His blood, the remission of sins. Who is the image(GOD was IN The Messiah) of the invisible Only True GOD(Spirit), (The Messiah)the First-born(Let There Be Light, The Beginning of The Creation of The Only True GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL) of all creation. For all things were created in Him, the things in the heavens, and the things on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, all things were created(By The Only True GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL) through Him and for Him. And He(The Messiah, “The Beginning of The Creation of The Only True GOD”) is before all things, and by Him all things consist.”
Eph 3:9 “and to bring to light what is the fellowship of the mystery which from eternity has been hidden in The Only True GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL, HE(The Only True GOD) WHO created all things by The Messiah;”
Joh 14:9 “The Messiah said to him, Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father(The Only True GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL was IN The Messiah, and as The Messiah testified, the words He spoke were not His words and the works He did were not His works, they were the words and the works of The Only True GOD, Father(Creator)of ALL). And how do you say, Show us the Father?(for The Messiah had revealed The Only True GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL through the words and works The Father spoke and did through Him)
Joh 8:58 “The Messiah said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM(The Messiah, The Beginning of The Creation of The Only True GOD, Father(CREATOR)of ALL, and The Only True GOD said, “Let There Be Light” and there was Light, The Messiah, The Beginning of The Creation of The Only True GOD, Father(CREATOR)of ALL), “The Light which enlightens every man born into the world”…….!
Joh 8:59 “Then they took up stones to throw at Him. But The Messiah hid Himself and went forth out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and passed on by.(Simply they would not accept The Truth that The Messiah was The Beginning of The Creation of The Only True GOD, Father of ALL)
The Messiah testified, “The Only True GOD is Spirit”, and later after The Only True GOD raised Him from among the dead, The Messiah testified, “Touch Me and see for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have”…….
Thankfully, The Only True GOD and Father of The Messiah is also The Only True GOD and Father of those who have experienced The Miracle that is receiving “the love of The Truth”…….
The Brethren of The Messiah but await their final transformation,
corruptible to incorruptible……. Home, Home, at last…….
All Thanks, Glory and Praise Be Unto “Our Father”…….
appolus said
Hi Francis,
I think you and I disagree:) You are not the first Jehovah’s Witness that I have spoken to , and I always ask them the same question, and it is a genuine one.”Do you know Jesus?” Will Jesus say to you in that day “depart from me you workers of iniquity, for I never knew you.” And so, when I was born again at the age of 26, Jesus transformed my whole life. I no longer knew about Him, I actually knew Him. And He speaks to me and I speak to Him. We have a relationship. I am a new creature in Christ. And so, if you want to debate whether the Jehovah’s witnesses is a cult, I would be glad to do that over e-mail Francis. I know that you know if you leave the Jehovah’s, they would say that you were not saved. I, on the other hand , belong to no church, I am a part of “The Church,” and God has His people, His remnent all over and in many denominations. Just remeber Francis, unless a man is born agin, He cannot enter heaven. And that has nothing to do with Kingdom :)E-mail me my friend, this is the wrong venue for such a discussion……….Frank
RaiulBaztepo said
Hello!
Very Interesting post! Thank you for such interesting resource!
PS: Sorry for my bad english, I’v just started to learn this language 😉
See you!
Your, Raiul Baztepo
appolus said
Hi Raiul,
Thanks for dropping by. Your English is very good 🙂 What country are you from……Frank
mike said
“Now is the time to “get oil,” for your lamp, now is the time to choose to serve God fully.” Amen to this… this has been on my mind. Feel God is preparing us…since we left the IC…its awful lonely at times and hard to press on. But what you have said above rekindles my spirit.
Mike
appolus said
HI Mike, somehow this comment got away from me. I have heard from god brothers and sisters all over the world who are experiencing what you are. This article should also help……
https://scottishwarriors.wordpress.com/2009/05/07/are-you-a-lonely-christian/ …brother Frank
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